Comments on: The biggest barrier to accessibility and inclusive design is us http://scriptingenabled.org/2008/07/the-biggest-barrier-to-accessibility-and-inclusive-design-is-us/ Hacking the web to be more accessible Thu, 20 Nov 2008 20:45:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Bookmarks about Layouts http://scriptingenabled.org/2008/07/the-biggest-barrier-to-accessibility-and-inclusive-design-is-us/#comment-330 Bookmarks about Layouts Sat, 18 Oct 2008 23:45:33 +0000 http://scriptingenabled.org/?p=19#comment-330 [...] - bookmarked by 5 members originally found by ProfCDwyer on 2008-10-01 The biggest barrier to accessibility and inclusive design is us [...] [...] - bookmarked by 5 members originally found by ProfCDwyer on 2008-10-01 The biggest barrier to accessibility and inclusive design is us [...]

]]> By: iheni :: making the web worldwide » Blog Archive » Scripting Enabled: accessibility gets “a swift kick up the backside” http://scriptingenabled.org/2008/07/the-biggest-barrier-to-accessibility-and-inclusive-design-is-us/#comment-220 iheni :: making the web worldwide » Blog Archive » Scripting Enabled: accessibility gets “a swift kick up the backside” Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:55:28 +0000 http://scriptingenabled.org/?p=19#comment-220 [...] certainly achieved in the two days what he set out to do: to give the accessibility community a swift kick up the backside. The overall message is loud and clear: keep talking, keep hacking and most of all keep sharing. [...] [...] certainly achieved in the two days what he set out to do: to give the accessibility community a swift kick up the backside. The overall message is loud and clear: keep talking, keep hacking and most of all keep sharing. [...]

]]> By: Diogo Vincenzi http://scriptingenabled.org/2008/07/the-biggest-barrier-to-accessibility-and-inclusive-design-is-us/#comment-65 Diogo Vincenzi Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:50:23 +0000 http://scriptingenabled.org/?p=19#comment-65 @Chris: I agree, and perhaps I didn't express myself correctly. Tomasz said that worrying about compatibility with IE6 should not be a problem anymore, and we should just use the famous IE7.js to make your site work correctly in IE6. While that stands true for some cases, in others, and specially in Brazil where support for certain technologies is a bit complicated in some places, making a website work in IE6 using only HTML and CSS is very important. I always build for Opera/Firefox/Safari first, and then see about getting the website to work in IE6 though. If there are small visual differences, it's not a problem as long as it works. I just did a rant today on my website on how IE6 is so outdated by now and that users should upgrade as soon as possible exactly for the same reasons you are describing here, so I'm with you 100% on this. @Chris: I agree, and perhaps I didn’t express myself correctly. Tomasz said that worrying about compatibility with IE6 should not be a problem anymore, and we should just use the famous IE7.js to make your site work correctly in IE6. While that stands true for some cases, in others, and specially in Brazil where support for certain technologies is a bit complicated in some places, making a website work in IE6 using only HTML and CSS is very important.

I always build for Opera/Firefox/Safari first, and then see about getting the website to work in IE6 though. If there are small visual differences, it’s not a problem as long as it works. I just did a rant today on my website on how IE6 is so outdated by now and that users should upgrade as soon as possible exactly for the same reasons you are describing here, so I’m with you 100% on this.

]]> By: admin http://scriptingenabled.org/2008/07/the-biggest-barrier-to-accessibility-and-inclusive-design-is-us/#comment-63 admin Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:41:58 +0000 http://scriptingenabled.org/?p=19#comment-63 @Diogo that is a pretty irrelevant statement in this context though. Nobody claimed not to support IE6, I just said that it is time we acknowledge other platforms, too, especially when they are free. Jaws + Windows + IE is an expensive setup, OSX comes with Voiceover. Coming from your web development world: yes, supporting IE6 is still very important, especially in emerging markets and South East Asia, but building *for* IE6 only or optimizing for it will keep us from evolving as a market, as a profession and hinder great user experience. @Diogo that is a pretty irrelevant statement in this context though. Nobody claimed not to support IE6, I just said that it is time we acknowledge other platforms, too, especially when they are free. Jaws + Windows + IE is an expensive setup, OSX comes with Voiceover.

Coming from your web development world: yes, supporting IE6 is still very important, especially in emerging markets and South East Asia, but building for IE6 only or optimizing for it will keep us from evolving as a market, as a profession and hinder great user experience.

]]> By: Diogo Vincenzi http://scriptingenabled.org/2008/07/the-biggest-barrier-to-accessibility-and-inclusive-design-is-us/#comment-62 Diogo Vincenzi Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:14:30 +0000 http://scriptingenabled.org/?p=19#comment-62 I loved the part about IE6...here in brazil I'd say 80% of internet users still use it, so not having compatibility with it is shooting yourself in both feet. I loved the part about IE6…here in brazil I’d say 80% of internet users still use it, so not having compatibility with it is shooting yourself in both feet.

]]> By: Links for 2008-07-24 - tonyscott.org.uk http://scriptingenabled.org/2008/07/the-biggest-barrier-to-accessibility-and-inclusive-design-is-us/#comment-61 Links for 2008-07-24 - tonyscott.org.uk Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:29:02 +0000 http://scriptingenabled.org/?p=19#comment-61 [...] The biggest barrier to accessibility and inclusive design is us [Chris Heilmann] [...] [...] The biggest barrier to accessibility and inclusive design is us [Chris Heilmann] [...]

]]> By: Phil Teare http://scriptingenabled.org/2008/07/the-biggest-barrier-to-accessibility-and-inclusive-design-is-us/#comment-59 Phil Teare Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:38:43 +0000 http://scriptingenabled.org/?p=19#comment-59 "Screw blind people!"? Crikey :) Yes I would put that in the controversial pile. But you're right, a gem of a post. “Screw blind people!”? Crikey :) Yes I would put that in the controversial pile. But you’re right, a gem of a post.

]]> By: Steve Lee http://scriptingenabled.org/2008/07/the-biggest-barrier-to-accessibility-and-inclusive-design-is-us/#comment-54 Steve Lee Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:28:46 +0000 http://scriptingenabled.org/?p=19#comment-54 Excellent. Excellent.

]]> By: Wait till I come! » Blog Archive » Yet another rant on accessibility and usability http://scriptingenabled.org/2008/07/the-biggest-barrier-to-accessibility-and-inclusive-design-is-us/#comment-53 Wait till I come! » Blog Archive » Yet another rant on accessibility and usability Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:23:11 +0000 http://scriptingenabled.org/?p=19#comment-53 [...] a long blog post over at Scripting Enabled entitled The biggest barrier to accessibility and inclusive design is us I am myself venting some of the frustrations I encountered in my years of standing in the [...] [...] a long blog post over at Scripting Enabled entitled The biggest barrier to accessibility and inclusive design is us I am myself venting some of the frustrations I encountered in my years of standing in the [...]

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